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Twisted Girl
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.05.25 20:37:00 -
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Edited by: Twisted Girl on 25/05/2011 20:37:12
Originally by: Mutnin Edited by: Mutnin on 25/05/2011 20:21:02
Originally by: Dalek Commander Edited by: Dalek Commander on 25/05/2011 20:01:24 Lets put this is perspective.
Super Carrier Cost: Hull - 11b Modules - 4-8bil (sometimes more) Implants - 2-3bil
So on average 1 super carrier is 20billion in assets. This isn't even adding in the cost of the fighters, bombers, drones, fuel and even spare ships they have on board.
Skills The Pilot needs to spend another 2+ bill on skills, and not to mention the 9 months of training to properly fit the carrier, and deploy the bombers.
You think something that has taken that much effort should be nerfed because they are better then 99% of the the rest of the ships in Eve (except Titans)??? It's working as intended so either step up and own one of your own, or keep on posting jealous emo rage posts like these.
Hello MR expensive state of the art Military Attack Helicopter, meet cheap throw away stinger missile. Get the picture?
Just because you have expensive toys, does not mean they are invulnerable.. The US taught this lesson to Russia in Afghanistan years ago and now the US is relearning same lesson in the same place.
Point being, in all wars high end technology has had it's place on the battlefield, yet in all wars lower tech solutions have managed to come up with effective counters.
IE.. Just because you spend a lot and have a lot of training, it will not make you invulnerable. The problem being in EVE, it's pretty much next to impossible to use a lower tech solution against the SC's because if you don't have a SC blob to kill them they will just log off prior to it's destruction.
Meaning the the pilot either has to have unheard of "space honor" for GF's or is really freaking dumb, to lose his SC to anything but another blob of SC's especially in low sec. Thus making them invulnerable to anything other than.. "you guessed it" another SC gang.
A singel super is very easy to take down, think most half compitent pvp groups would agree on this. Problem in most ppl eyes is when u meet 10+ of em. Then again how can you balance something that really is just a issue when you meet 10+ of em?
also: UMAD?! --------------------
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Twisted Girl
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.05.25 20:58:00 -
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Originally by: Mutnin
Originally by: Twisted Girl
A singel super is very easy to take down, think most half compitent pvp groups would agree on this. Problem in most ppl eyes is when u meet 10+ of em. Then again how can you balance something that really is just a issue when you meet 10+ of em?
also: UMAD?!
The problem being of course when you and your single SC cynoing in to kill an incompetent Vaga pilot, as you did last night. It's not so much that 1 Nyx you were flying but how many other PL guys were around to CYNO in on anything that dropped on you.
Just like 2 night before that with your Bait Vargur aggro'd me in Enal, I asked him how many SC's will drop on my head if I shoot back. He said try and find out. TBH, if it had been any other group I might have given it a try but soon as I saw he was PL pilot I knew it would just be a FoTM hot drop for lols.
The next night you guys dropped the 5 SC's next door on the 3 Drakes & Myrm..( I did lol when the Internet space ship guys ganked the Varg though)
See it's not so much the single SC, but the fact that you can repeatably hot drop them over and over with impunity because of the sheer numbers you have supporting you.
Lets not pretend, that it's not just 1 more cyno and anything that "could" kill you gets reverse trapped.
You know, I wouldnt need a super to do the scenario yours just painting. 2x the number in carriers would do equal damage/more neut power. --------------------
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Twisted Girl
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.05.25 21:07:00 -
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Its pretty much there your wrong. besides the whole tackling deal (3-4 hics is usually enough) its simply more ehp to grind through , but its all passive ehp no active reps. --------------------
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Twisted Girl
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.05.25 21:33:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Twisted Girl
Its pretty much there your wrong. besides the whole tackling deal (3-4 hics is usually enough) its simply more ehp to grind through , but its all passive ehp no active reps. Only possible escape he got is to log off(which you can counter by increasing the logoff with agression timer, which is the only issue I got with supercaps atm) or selfdestruct(he still died).
There's so much wrong with your post that my head almost exploded. But, here's a couple of comments (I'll limit myself): - Being able to tackle a SC is a big deal. Most SCs I've run across absolutely won't be hot dropping into a gang with 4 HICs on the field... and the most common way I've HEARD about getting those HICs on the field is a titan bridge. Thus, your "3-4 HICs" becomes "3-4 HICs per SC + 2-3 Logis to keep them up + 1x Titan Bridge + 1x Bait Cyno" - Low sec doesn't tend to roll with 50+ man neut blobs with 4 HICs, a half dozen Logis, and more. You're FAR more likely to see 2 logis, a couple BS, and a half dozen BCs. Which could actually take out a couple carriers.
that gang should def. be able to a kill a supercarrier right. every roaming random scrub gang out there should be able to kill 1 without any sort of coordination or planning? Your a funny man. --------------------
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Twisted Girl
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.05.25 21:52:00 -
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Edited by: Twisted Girl on 25/05/2011 21:52:38
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Twisted Girl
that gang should def. be able to a kill a supercarrier right. every roaming random scrub gang out there should be able to kill 1 without any sort of coordination or planning? Your a funny man.
that solo sc should def. be able to a kill a large low sec gang right. every hot dropping random scrub supercarrier out there should be able to kill a large low sec gang without any sort of coordination or planning? Your a funny man.
Ure pretty dumb if your whole "large" gang get tackled/killed by 1 supercarrier. --------------------
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Twisted Girl
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.05.25 21:58:00 -
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Edited by: Twisted Girl on 25/05/2011 22:04:23
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Twisted Girl Ure pretty dumb if your whole "large" gang get tackled/killed by 1 supercarrier.
There's literally nothing the "large" gang can do to the SC. Literally nothing.
And besides the 1 unlucky guys to maybe get caught by the super , the super cant do anything to the gang either unless they sit around him like shellshocked deers staring at him in point/web range.
SC is the lion, you are the sebra. Sometimes I kill 1 of you, but the rest of you will get away(for now). --------------------
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Twisted Girl
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.05.25 22:05:00 -
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Edited by: Twisted Girl on 25/05/2011 22:06:10
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Twisted Girl
And besides the 1 unlucky guys to maybe get caught by the super , the super cant do anything to the gang either unless they sit around him like shellshocked deers staring at him in point/web range.
This was you admitting that SCs are basically invulnerable in low sec.
Its like saying you cant defend yourself again rapists because hes seems stronger than you. Just roll over and die...I take it. --------------------
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Twisted Girl
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.05.25 22:16:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Twisted Girl Its like saying you cant defend yourself again rapists because hes seems stronger than you. Just roll over and die...I take it.
It's a bit more like saying that a game isn't fun when one of the players speed hacks and aimbots.
Noone here is cheating, more like me having a bether gun than you. and noone is stopping you from getting your own sc. Or using your brain to figure out some ways to go around it. --------------------
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Twisted Girl
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.05.25 22:37:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Twisted Girl
Noone here is cheating, more like me having a bether gun than you. and noone is stopping you from getting your own sc. Or using your brain to figure out some ways to go around it.
Remember, we're talking about a ship that's effectively invulnerable in low sec, or when massed even in 0.0. And while nothing is preventing me from buying a SC (I do have the ISK, and the skills), I do have to say that it's bull**** and killing the game. I'd rather do something else. :)
Also: it's much less about using your brain to kill a SC and much more about getting a big enough blob and titan bridges.
I see em die atleast 2-3 times a week. even in low sec where they are invulnerable. heck last I killed was yesterday in low sec. --------------------
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